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You're listening to the Creative Download, a podcast to inspire and encourage others to live in the fullness of their creativity.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Hey everyone. Hey guys, welcome back to the creative download. We have a really fun guest today, Jodie Friedman. And um, so welcome back. We are at season two, episode eight. And again, um, thank you for coming back and listening to us. And for those of you all over the world, we're so excited you're listening and watching. And um we will start off. Actually, our topic today is going to be envisioning your dreams and talking about Jody's concept of identity alignment, which is really exciting. And um, he's one of our music coaches, and we'll get into that in a little bit more with his bio. But Chelsea, tell us what you're working on creatively.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Uh, so of course you know this because it's our TV series we're working on, but um finishing up the third draft of our second version of our TV pilot. So that's really fun. Um, that feels really good. Um, and and then working on these two songs. Um, I mentioned them before Sinking Under and Sound of the Stars. Um, two fairly different pieces, which is kind of fun. Um, and just trying to kind of figure out, you know, the last bit of need on them to make them really stand out and pop and be what I need them to be and want them to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

So yeah, what about you, Christy? So good. Well, Jody, let's let you go first. Yeah, I'll end it. Go ahead, Jody. What are you working on? Creatively, yes, everything creatively and whatever else you want.

SPEAKER_05 2:03

Everything's creative.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

That's exactly good answer.

SPEAKER_05 2:08

If you're not creating, what are you doing? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Because we ask all the time.

SPEAKER_05 2:12

Yeah, unless it's like metadata or Excel work or something. There's not a lot of creativity in that. But there is to some agree regard now, if you're doing coding and you know, formulas, you gotta get creative. Uh, what am I working on? Um lately, it has been about working a bit less and uh designing my life in a way that um I it's really unconditioning myself to uh from how I've operated for many, many, many years. This has been a work in progress. This has been probably like a six-year um project, but the more intentional I've been about it, um you know, there there have been moments recently where I've actually stepped back and looked at my life and realized that I accomplished what I was trying to do. So um I would say uh creatively rewiring my brain to see my life in a different perspective.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I love that. That's huge. It is huge. And we're gonna you're gonna talk more about what you're doing in this show around that, I'm assuming, too. So sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

So and like Chelsea said, you know, we're doing this TV series right now, which is super exciting. And this has been um in the works for in our brains separately for a long time. And then we came together and we're like, oh my God, we're supposed to do this together. And then so I've real I I've kind of been working on my position in this. Like Chelsea's the actual writer. She's gone to to get her master's degree in writing for film and television, and I'm coming in as a consultant and I'm coming in as the person that like is the tone. Um, do you know, make sure we're on the tone. So I was working on our what we call a tone Bible, which is what I'd never known that in TV you have that, but I have learned that this week. So I've been working on that. Went back to my vocal coach, had my vocal lesson today. Cause I I think I'm gonna just say, I probably will need a vocal coach the rest of my life. Just nothing wrong with that. Yeah, keep, you know, just to keep learning. Uh, he told me something today. I'm like, really? Okay, I thought I knew that. Prosody. He was teaching trying to oh, prosody. Well, I know it, but I don't always hear it in myself, right? So he's point he's pointing that out. So that was I don't know that term. What is prosody?

SPEAKER_05 4:39

I love prosody, it's everything.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

What does that mean? Yeah, can you explain it, Jody? Because I try to explain it and I don't know if I do as good of a job as I think you would. Because you're this is an expertise of yours.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

Yes. Well, uh vocal prosody is how somebody delivers and emphasizes words when they're singing.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

When we're speaking, okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

When we're speaking, we naturally emphasize certain uh syllables on certain words, like the word emphasize. You say emphasize, you don't say emphasize or emphasize, you know, it's emphasize. So the emphasis is on the M, right? So when you sing it, it should be the same way. And a lot of people they tweak their prosody to match their melody. And prosody needs to come first. Um, in other words, you should tweak your melody to fit your prosody. And the things the thing that separates the professional vocalists, granted, they have those vocal coaches in the studio with them while they're tracking, from amateur vocalists is prosody. I did not really biggest separator.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

That's cool. Great explanation.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Thank you. Yeah, and I didn't know there was a I didn't realize the term for it.

SPEAKER_05 5:54

So now you won't be able to unhear it when you hear a song and you're you're you kind of tilt your head like huh, something feels off about that.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

It's like, and if it's not the tone, obviously tone matters. Yeah, it's likely the prosody is off.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Yeah, I didn't realize that. Now I know what to actually say when I'm like, why don't I like because I do that all the time. I'm like, why do I oh, why don't I like this or that?

SPEAKER_05 6:14

And there's people like Taylor Swift, she can get away with it. You know, it's true. There are people at that level that their pros is off, but it doesn't matter because you're gonna be a fan regardless because the melody sounds good and it's Taylor Swift. Yeah, you know, so we're willing to forgive a lot of things for people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

And I like that you say that you know, professional singers may have a vocal coach in the booth with them because that tell, you know, it's like true that it's so good to have that ear. And I I really appreciate um who I see. His name's Matt. He's here in San Diego, and he's very honest with me. It's not always easy to take, you know? Yeah, but I'm here to I'm there to learn. So, all right. Well, that's what we're all working on. So I want to introduce you formally, Jody. And I think this your bio is just so amazing. And we're I feel so honored uh to have you as a music coach because we do our, you know, we've learned a lot about sync through you, and but you have a much bigger life going on outside of what we do with you. So Jody is an entrepreneur, keynote speaker, music supervisor who has spent more than two decades working in the entertainment industry on major television franchises, including The Bachelor. He has also produced a feature film, Ethan Bloom, and built multiple seven-figure businesses in entertainment and coaching. And it's through his keynote and transformational work, Wreck the Room, which is new, that you've been talking to us a little bit about. Jody helps high achievers recognize when the identity that created their success no longer aligned with who they are becoming. His core message is simple: success without identity alignment doesn't sustain. And I loved that. I don't know if I've ever told you this, but Judy Stakey, who I was uh working with, I did her retreat and she and I told her how much I really was interested in sync. And she's like, well, then you need to go to Jody because he's he's the one that knows what's going on with that. So that's how I came to you. And then Chelsea eventually joined as well. So we do sync.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Well, I joined because of you, Christy.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

So thank you. Yeah, I was like, you really need to come over here and do this because you're gonna be so good at it. But you know, you're so I really believe, and I'm gonna launch into the discussion with this. Like, my experience has been that when I have a dream, which we're gonna talk about the topic, right? Envisioning your dreams and uh an identity alignment, which go together. Sometimes a dream can feel so far out and like it's hard to like see yourself there. And my experience has been that when I really see something and I want it, and it's it's meant for me. It's not just that I want it, it's really meant for me. The teachers start showing up. And my job is to say yes to them. Like the teachers, the wise guides. Yeah, that say this is the direction, this is where you go. And I think Judy, Jody, you're like one of my teachers. So it's like you're one of the people that has shown up in my, and I don't always know where the teacher is gonna take me.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

You know, because sometimes that's a that is a trick because sometimes I think the teacher is gonna take me in this direction, and actually they're not. They're like, Oh, I'll go over there, which is what Judy actually did, right? Yeah, I was that was exactly it. So you, you know, so let's talk about this success that did not fix you like it didn't fix it, right? It doesn't fix it. Tell us what you mean about that, and we can get into dreams too.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Sure. Well, first off, uh, I love Judy. Yes, she's um my songwriting mentor. I refer to her as that always. Uh, she's a dear friend and was very lucky to be part of her very first group when she left Horner Chapel. And uh there were six of us at her house in Laurel Canyon, and we did the thing, and I experienced the same thing. It was, I went in thinking, you know, she's gonna sit down and teach us how to write songs. Yeah, she did, but her methodology was not at all what I expected, and it changed my life. So um that's amazing, and uh thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Yeah, love her.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

Uh dreams and alignment and success that no longer fits. So this concept of wreck the room, it really begins in childhood.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Right for everybody. I mean, that's when our identities are first formed. And these experiences that happen to us, whatever those experiences might be, good and bad. Some people experience big traumas. Some people, some people experience micro-traumas. An example of a micro trauma would be somebody telling you to shut up. It happens, right? People say the word. But if you hear it enough, that's a micro trauma that teaches you you're not safe to speak up. It's not safe to speak up, right? And that becomes part of the room you start creating for yourself. That becomes a brick that you lay down. I'm not safe sharing my thoughts, or I have to edit myself before I speak. Um, and there's a variety of that's just one example. Another, you know, positive experience would be getting good grades in school. That's a good thing. You're praised for those grades. You come home, mom, dad, I got an A. Awesome job. We're going out for ice cream, right? So you equate performance and achievement with love and value.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

It may not be the truth, but it's what you start to believe, or some people start to believe. So um, that becomes a brick that you lay down for a room that you start building. And these rooms evolve over time. They become, you know, they become pieces of so many experiences and so many bricks that we build to survive in as human beings, especially in that time in our life when we're children and we're figuring out what we're going through, and our coaches are telling us something, and our teachers are telling us one thing, and our parents are telling us another, and we're looking at all these grown-ups, and our friends are telling us and informing us on who we are as well. And we're trying to figure out who the heck am I? Who do I identify as? What's important to me, right? So, to survive in, we build these rooms and we carry them into adulthood. And there is a stat around this that 85% of adults are living in identities that they built to survive in as children. 85%.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

That's insane. That's an insane amount.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

It really is. It means, and the there's a reason for this because when you build a room to survive in, like any type of survival, it's gonna work, it's gonna protect you, it's gonna serve you, and it could allow you to be successful. It may allow you to live your dream life, start a family, build a house if that's what you want to do, um, get a house, you know, whitepicket fence, whatever it is that you want to do. Your room has allowed you to do that. But there comes a point where that room no longer serves you because you built it so long ago, and you just settled into that room and started thinking and believing this is just how it is, and that's where that disconnect happens. And um, so the part of my process is recognizing how that room was built, which is what we're speaking about right now. Yeah, recognizing the room, what built the room, what can we name it? Because naming something has power.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 13:53

Um, exposing the lie that's tied to the room, such as the one I shared. If I'm only I'm only valued if I'm achieving, right? The lie would be I'm loved and valued for who I am, not what I do. Actually, sorry, that's the truth. That's the truth. That's the lie. That's the truth. That the lie is I'm only loved for performing and achieving, and the shadow side is the truth to that lie. And every room has a lie tied to it.

SPEAKER_04 14:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 14:24

And exposing that lie and revealing what's on the shadow side allows you to settle and recognize, okay, I know that's the truth. Obviously, that's the truth. And when you see that for the first time, I mean it's so it's so dumb to say out every time I say it out loud, like, I really believed that love and value was tied to achievement. It's just but it it's it becomes so conditioned that you forget that that's what you believe. Because it's so deep in the recesses of your brain, these lies that you tell yourself to survive in, your brain has protected that. So bringing it up to the surface, that's that's the recognize it.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Recognize it part.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

You know, it's so I was a school teacher for and before. So I saw that. Like I really recognized that as a school teacher. I and I'm curious, Jody, because you're doing this work, you know, what like because I agree with you. The child we build all this in our childhood, and we're powerless, right? When we're children, because we're we're kind of trapped with where whatever we've landed into, right? In that moment. But as adults, we're not. And so it's so I think important to be able to have that ability to do what you're saying. My experience, this is why I related related so much to the video you did with Robert Downey about Robert Downey Jr.

SPEAKER_04 15:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Because so a lot of people, myself included, don't look there until you have to. It's almost like, you know, it's not something that I'm so that, you know, I got sober very young. I just I'll just say that after I was 23 years old, it was 1994. And I had been, I didn't wasn't getting the good grades. I wasn't, I was, you know, and I came from that alcoholic family, and I came from a lot of that, and it was miserable. And I by 23 was like, I need a new way of life. And that's pretty miraculous now when I look at it, but also kind of sad that by 23, I'm like already ready, like it's not working.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

Oh, I don't think that's sad at all. No, most people wait so long to recognize that and then wreck it. Yeah, that's true. You had you had a head start.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I did, I did, and but I but I but I recognize that I would not have done that without having a lot of my back against the wall, my I'm gonna, I you know, I'm not getting anywhere, I'm failing out of college. I was actually working at a treatment center when I got sober, which I think is actually ironic. So I was living a double life, but I wasn't like, I wasn't doing what Robert Downey Jr. was doing, going to jail and all that stuff. But I still so and I say that out loud because a lot of times when people hear about people getting sober, they go down the route that going to jail and you're deal-wise, I didn't have any of that. But I was so miserable on the path I was on because I wasn't in my room. I was in a room that someone else built for me.

SPEAKER_05 17:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Which is kind of what you're talking about when we tell our kids, like, okay, this is your direction. You know, I wanted to be a dancer, right? And my mom is like, there's you're not gonna make any money as a dancer. I'm like, I can be J Lo. I know I can be, you know, but she's like, No, you're gonna be a school teacher. You know, so it's like I, you know, I I I feel like we because we've talked about this before, I've kind of wrecked my rooms as I've gone because I've been sober for 32 years, you know. It's like you can't you can't stay awake like that, at least for someone like me, without having to make lots of changes. So the question about that is does everybody have to hit that kind of a bottom, do you think, to like wreck the room?

SPEAKER_05 18:12

Oh no, well, that's why that is exactly why I built the program.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

But what if you didn't have to wait to have a breakdown and have a breakthrough? That's the that's the thing about the program. There's no when I was building this, um, I was building it with this uh this woman, um, and she's a PhD in education, and she's built uh many programs for other other coaches, um, some very successful coaches. And uh I I don't want to real reveal her name out of privacy uh for her, but uh she when we were building it, we were going through it. And you know, uh with anything you try that's new, I was having some imposter syndrome, like, I don't know, like can I really teach this and this and that? And she stopped like halfway through phase one, which is the recognize it, and she's like going through it said, Jody, you have to release this. There's nobody doing this. I said, Really? But what about this person and that person? They're like completely different, completely different. Nobody is doing this. So that was a moment for me that I realized that this is much bigger than me. I'm I'm the conduit, I'm the guide. You know, I can take people through the program, I can be there to bounce ideas off of. Um obviously I built it, uh, it's effective, it's extremely effective. But that that was the purpose. It was so people don't have to wait for the breakdown to happen.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

Right.

SPEAKER_05 19:39

And that's what most people do. They wait for something to really rattle the foundation before for being forced to take action. And some people can't handle it.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

That's when that happens. Yeah.

unknown 19:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:55

So this is trying to get ahead of that.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

I love that. I I had um I I I've told Christy before and I've told my story a little bit about on here, but um I had my first kind of breakdown moment after um so I was 18. I had like success, good grades. I was I was the goody two shoes. I had a diving scholarship, you know, to go to a D1 school, right? So I had everything going. And I I ended up coming down with mono in February of my senior year, right after I won state championship. My body and my because I and I've I already dealt with anxiety like most of my childhood, which we know how much like how much that comes from, you know, different micro traumas and stuff. And the weird part is a lot of this was created by myself, by me, not even so much my mom, or you know, like I was raised by a single mom. So fast forward to now that was a year of 9-11 as well. Um, I'm away from college, you know, away from home, still dealing with the side effects of mana, which then turned into chronic fatigue, but we didn't really know at the time.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Everything that I had worked my ass off for broke, broke, you know, and I'm away from my home. And our, you know, and then all of a sudden our kids like everything was going against me. So I ended up quitting. I left school mid like in October. Um, dropped out. I've never dropped out of anything like that. I've never quit anything like that. Um, and I got home and I remember there were three different days where I like I I broke down and I and I really didn't understand it. I knew it was related to feeling like I failed, but it was so much deeper than that, you know. And it's taken years to get to that point where it was like that's because you had your identity was all here. So this is a near, this is like near and dear to my heart for sure. So It's brutal when you have those.

SPEAKER_05 22:02

Yeah. It's um, you know, when you go through, I mean, we we spoke about recognize it, and part of that after exposing the lie is designing that new room you want to be in, which I imagine, and it what usually happens when you reach a breakdown and a breakdown point, you have two paths. You either go further down the path of despair, yeah, or you rebuild.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

And I mean, Robert, as a great example, he went further down the path of despair for a while there, right? Yeah, yeah, and he just kept kind of punishing himself and punishing himself until he decided to stop. And his comeback was incredible, right? Like that's the ultimate comeback story.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah, yeah. Talk about suffering too. Like, and I think it would, and that part of suffering is like can be a real big part of um, I know it's a part of my culture growing up. I come from like a military teacher family, those people suffer. I mean, it's like you just like you go out and suffer and in and they're and talk a little bit about you accept the suffering. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, like if you're not suffering, if you're not like being a service and suffering, you're not actually like, I don't know, it's this weird thing. I hear I hear other people talk about this too. And when it pertains to like art, like living your dreams in art, there's so much suffering on suffering. Yeah, that talk a little bit about that. Cause that that connect I connected with that too, as far as because yeah, I think you talk about that in that video with Robert Downer Downey Jr. Like, this doesn't mean you have to suffer to wreck the room, correct?

SPEAKER_05 23:34

Like no, of course not. No, it's a choice, it's like um the starving artist. I hate that phrase. I'm a starving artist. Hate it, and I wear it like a like a proud badge. I'm a starving artist. And then there's people who they give into it, like we just love supporting starving artists.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_05 23:55

You can be an artist and not starve. That is a choice you make as an artist, and if you're gonna lean into that as your identity, if you believe that to be an artist, and I'm guilty of this when I was, you know, I'm I'm speaking, I'm saying this because I lived through it. When I was trying to get signed to a record label, when I was doing my gigs and trying to record my demo and afford to record my demo, I was a starving artist. But I I wasn't, I just assumed the identity of this is just what you do, this is what everybody does until they're signed. You starve. You go out in the streets and you ask for tips and you, you know, put the flyers on the post and play the background noise in the bar. It's like that's a choice. So um you don't have to suffer uh to be an artist. I do think there's there's a certain it's it's uh it's an interesting thing because you know some of the some of the best artistry, some of the best writing, some of the best music does come from artists who I hate to say it, but they had mental disorders. Right? Um, I mean think about some of the greatest artists of our generation that are dead. Kurt Cobain, um Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston, yeah, Chris Farley.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_05 25:22

Oh you know, the what um what's his name? Chris Chris Cornell, thank you. Robin Williams, Robin Williams, Prince, although that that was a little different, how the the way it came about, but um there's someone else I'm missing there, but uh you get my point. You get my point. There's there's some of the most amazing art, but of course there are also plenty of artists that are still living that did not suffer, at least as far as we know, or to that extent. Uh Paul McCartney is a great example. You know, Paul McCartney is he's still with us, one of the greatest artists of all time.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Um well you talked about yeah, you talk about the authenticity, you know, like in that identity alignment. And I think uh I really I'm glad you brought up, you know, that because I think when we are successful, yeah, we can put on an image of our identity, and then there's the real identity.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

Yeah. And some people fake the suffering too.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

That's so true to be an artist. I can't they fake it, they put on that mask.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

Sorry to cut you off.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah, no, that's okay. We do that all the time on our show, by the way. Jumping in. Um, yeah, yeah. They like fake that they're suffering because if they're not, then they're not real.

SPEAKER_05 26:42

Is that kind of then they're not going to be respected by their community as a real artist? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Well, yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_05 26:47

Like, like you, if you're not suffering or you you're not dark, or you're not um, I don't know, you don't have a drug problem, or you don't drink, or parents didn't divorce, leave you. Yeah, like if you don't have that stuff, you're not a real artist, right? I experience this all the time with my talking to colleagues, and you know, like they they they're excited about this band they met, and they give me all the reasons and they describe them like sounds like a lot of fun hanging out with that person. That's what I'm thinking, you know, like okay, so they're talented, cool, send me the music. Yeah, but they do they seek it out. Um yeah, the drama, the drama and the the suffering.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

The suffering, yep.

SPEAKER_05 27:31

And it's uh it's a real shame because there are there are many artists that um they're very talented that you know they're not necess they're not suffering. They're loving life, they're living their best life, yeah, they're creating music or or painting or writing screenplays. Yeah, and they love what they do, but they don't suffer. They get joy out of life. It's like the news. The news focuses on negativity. Yeah, yeah. People are drawn to it. They don't, you know, they don't focus on the the little squirrel riding the um I say this because at headline news we'd show it at the end. It was like, and we're gonna finish today with you know, Jimmy the squirrel, and he was tied to the boat in a little jet ski and was riding around in the jet ski. Yeah, it's like their way of wrapping it up was and we have some good news to share with you. It's like you know, negative, negative, negative, but here's this funny squirrel riding around in the jet ski. Like, you know, nobody wants to watch an hour of news just of good news. No. So and it's the same with I think it's to it's just human nature. Yeah, but like drama.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Yeah, I yeah, and yeah. Um, and I had a I had a question for you on um, so I know, I know uh, you know, a big part of the focus or or seems to be, you know, like you've you've made your success and whatever that looks like, you know, that of course is different for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

But what about, you know, and and then you're then you realize crap, like there's some rooms I've gotta wreck, you know. What would you what would you say about people that um or two people that you know they haven't they haven't had the success and it's it's because they need to wreck the room, you know, to to like it, you know, to break out of that.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

Um when you say they haven't had the success, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Um okay, so which is a great, which is a great question.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

Because you started with success is different for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

This is true. Okay, so well, maybe maybe that's the first question then when you talk about somebody that's that's experienced success and and in but they can't they can't continue because of where they're at. Like what is that? They're not aligned, right? Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's a better, better way.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

So how do they how do they recognize that?

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Yeah, what uh yeah, and and yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:53

Well, I think that uh I don't know. I was talking with somebody um last night at a gathering, and she was telling me how much she just loves like math and excel, and that's just her jam, man. She just loves it so much. So she's really aligned with her job, right? Because that's what she does. Yeah, she's in clearance and she just it's all she does all day long, like spreadsheets and clearance and math. Like, good for you, that's awesome. Like she knows dream that's her dream job, right? For me, that's misery. Oh, yeah. But for her, that's her dream job. Yeah, so I think that there are people who get into, especially in in certain industries, probably in any industry, you get into that industry thinking, here's the end goal. And along the way, you have to do jobs that are a little bit out of alignment with that end goal. And then along the way, by the time you've you know you're 10, 10, 15 years in, you still haven't hit that end goal. You start to feel a little burnt out in the industry, and maybe the target shifted now because you've been doing something else and you found fulfillment in a part of that, and it pays the bills and you pays benefits, you know, it has all the stuff. So then you find yourself in a place where I'm successful doing something, but it's not fully aligned with who I am because who I am stems from who I promised myself I would be. What I really want deep down is still something like what that angle was. Um so I mean, I'm not I'm not answering your question. I'm just I'm describing it.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

No, that that helps though. Like, yeah, that helps set up the you know, kind of the people that you're talking about, the you know, like that's yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Well, I think the identity alignment is what's so important, right? To understand that because we talked about a little while ago on our podcast doing a values exercise, you know, where like I had a my mentor took me through a values exercise, and she told me when I started living my life, everything, everything I did was in my values because everybody has different values. She's like, My life totally changed. Yeah, well, let's do the values exercise, you know. Like, and so I came up with like my top five values, and I try to apply it in everything. This is how I've learned it's like so it's a mess, it's a method of trying to align my with my identity with what I do. And because I for work and I talk about this, I sell real estate, I get exposed to all types of people.

unknown 32:26

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

And I don't want to work with everybody. I hate to say that, but that's one of the things that I learned about myself in doing this value exercise. My end result is I want to be able to pay the bills, and I, you know, there's some some success. I work on a successful team, but I have some values now that well-being is my top one. If this is not good for my well-being, I'm not doing it. I don't care how much money it is. Yeah, that aligns with me. And it just like I think that there's I'm very like feeling oriented. So it's like I feel like when you're in an identity alignment, you know it.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah. You know it. But it's like it does kind of have to be, if you've never even talked about this, I don't know. Some of our listeners might be like, Well, you know, maybe not thought of this. I don't know. Most of them that are know me, we talk a lot about this kind of stuff. But you I think you really know when you're an identity alignment, but you might not know that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Yeah, you might not be able to put words to it, but you can feel it.

SPEAKER_05 33:28

Well, setting those values, I compare it to when you start a company or a business, you have a mission statement, right? And a manifesto, if you will. But how many people actually sit down and take the time to write down their own manifesto, their own mission statement for their life, yeah, how they live their life, which is a good call, more important than how you what you do for work. So, you know, that and that that's what you're saying. You have these values, this value, you know, these five values that you've laid down. And I mean, a lot of coaches have that, they call them, you know, the five non-negotiables or you know, the the top three. I mean, but it's it's a thing, like you need to set up what is important to you, and it's gonna be different for everybody. And you may you like in your example, you're gonna encounter people that are misaligned with you. It doesn't mean they're bad people, it just means they're they're misaligned with your values, and they're gonna find their people, yeah. And there's there's nothing wrong with that. And I do think that that's correct. Yeah, there's some sense of like, well, I should be accepting of all people. I think maybe that's been something that's been set up through culture or society or parents, or I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Right.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

But um you can accept people, it doesn't mean mean you have to allow them into your world.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

And that's a very, very big difference.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Well, and I think in art, you know, sales can be like that too. Like you have to just because you're, you know, you have to work with everybody if you're in sales. That's not true. Um, at least I'm not letting that be true for me if they're not if we're not aligned. And I think with art too, you know, like um, you know, as a musician, you know, you don't have to play, you know, you don't have to do everything as you know, if I right now, and I guess I'll apply it to now because Chelsea and I have been talking a lot more about our next steps on our pilot, right? And like what we're doing next. Pitching season is coming up this summer. We're like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

I want to hear about this, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I don't know maybe we can talk a little bit about it. We can't talk about what it is yet because it's still like, you know, we can't let that cat out of the bag. But but we'll talk with you about it then later on. Yeah, we'll talk about it. But it's but it's um, I'm already forward thinking. So, like, for like what kind of what kind of people do I want to work with? Because I think that's something I love about you, Joni, is that you really, really talk a lot about like being a good person and you know, not being a jerk.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

Yeah, like I've worked with a lot of jerks, and it's not yeah in music.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

So when I was doing a lot of like playing live and I had opened up for some good bands, like small, but they're big now, like Xavier Rudd is really big. I opened up for him in San Diego and you know, but um oh my god, the jerks I had to deal with, not the artists, but like the people I was working with, you know, it was like you're kind of forced to doing that. And I also worked in um there was a lot of uh there were three TV shows filmed in San Diego when I moved here, and I ended up getting paid to lay on the beach, you know, because I needed extras. I just moved here and like 25 and I sure, you know, and can you rollerblade? Sure, I'll rollerblade, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 36:44

Good gig.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

And they fed you, you know. So I like made 200 bucks a day and in '97, that was a lot of money. And I got lunch, you know, and um and one of the things I couldn't deal with was the um way that they treated women. And I did I just quit acting. And I told myself, oh, when I'm 50, I'll do that when they won't bother me because you're what bothered the young girls more. Well, that you know, that's not true, but it's it's really like looking forward to like I'm a little scared to go back into that world. I'm a little scared because of my experience. So I'm really starting to like do this dream envision, right? Where I'm seeing like who are the people I want to work with. Oh, I want to work with people that they don't have jerks on the set, you know, they're they're really they they're conscious people, you know, and like trying to build that and align my identity with the future because my past has a negative with that world. Yeah, it created maybe that's a room I need to wreck.

SPEAKER_05 37:48

I need to get rid of all that you know that that it's changed, the industry's changed. Um it has yeah, uh as that I've been on set uh in multiple facets as a as a parent of a an actor. So as a parent, I've been able to sit back and observe and not have to work on set, and that's been really interesting. So it's changed, it's definitely changed. There's always going to be, you know, an occasional hot head, right? But it seems that at least what I've seen, everybody knows they're a hothead. Everyone's avoiding them, like, yeah, yeah, that's so and so. Yeah, you know, most people. Um I that my experience has been on on sets in particular. Most people are really happy to be there on that day. They're just happy to be doing that job, working in that world. Like, you know, yesterday I was up at Warner Brothers, and after my meeting, there's the the um, you know, when studio nine or ten was open and nobody was in there. The doors open. I went in, I walked around, I looked at the big giant, you know, almost airport hangers, what they look like with the big, you know, hangers with the cables hanging down, they're all labeled to mount the lights. And there was a crew like building some you know, props for whatever show they're building props for. It's just really neat to walk in there, and it's it's a it's a fun environment. So yeah, I would encourage you not to let the that bad experience influence the future because it's not the same. Number one, number two, you're not gonna let yourself be treated like that. Oh no, with who you are now compared to maybe who you were then.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Yeah, it's very true. Well, and that's one of the things that they drilled into us when I when I was in um film school, because they, I mean, it was like, don't be an ass, be on, you know, you're don't just be on time, you're there early, you stay late, you do what's asked of you, you know, like those kinds of things. I was like, all right, these are my people. I was like, I was stoked. But um you said something earlier, Jody, that when we were talking about success um and things like that, that which was perfect, that was so helpful to kind of what you were describing and what you're looking at. So um let me say I write down notes because otherwise my ADHD I will forget. Um let's see. So with Wreck the Room, yeah. What is like what I mean, what's the outcome? What do you want people to walk away from it with? I mean, obviously when we want to break down those rooms, but what is that what does that look like? Maybe give an example of somebody or or I don't know. What do you what do you what do you want to say on that?

SPEAKER_05 40:25

I want people to walk away deeply transformed, deeply transformed. And they're not gonna be the same person when they leave the program than when they went in.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:36

Um and as a result, you know, whenever you change who you are, your life's gonna change. You might be hanging out with different people, certain family members you may not talk to as much. Yeah, you know, and there's there's certain risk and uncomfortability that comes with that. But that's that's what happens when you live in alignment with who you are. You align yourself with the people that align with you.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:59

And you know, the people that are really close to you, they're gonna be there. It's you know, they're gonna actually adapt to survive because they're your people, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:10

They're not going anywhere, are they?

SPEAKER_05 41:11

No, like that's that's and if they if they do, then it was meant to be right, because that's who you are.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Yeah, and it's that is it's such a beautiful thing to watch somebody become aligned with who they really are, yeah, you know, and like and and even though it's hard, I because I've done this, I've had to walk away from stuff. I walked away from a teaching career. I've you know, I've done I've done a lot of this change, and there has been loss, and I have had to let go of people in my family who were like not supportive, but those who stuck with me, you know, my husband, like uh I have some friends. I mean, it's beautiful to watch someone become who they really are. I like and to be able to say, like, I'm living my best life. And, you know, not necessarily, I don't I'm living my best life and I and I don't have my uh we don't we're not produced yet. You know what I mean? It's like I said, we don't have the TV show produced yet.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

Yeah, but you're doing the thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

But that's what I mean. It doesn't matter that if it's produced, we're living our best life. I'm in alignment with what we're doing, and that is a beautiful thing to watch and to experience. And I think if anybody's listening to this, I love the fact that Jody, you offer something. Uh first of all, I coach with you on InSync Titans, which is all focused on learning the sync world. And we've talked about that a bit on our show. And you're doing something even bigger than that, you know, for people who are not necessarily in that lane. That if you I feel like if you're an artist in general, like listening or you're trying to get into your creativity, because we have people that listen to us that say, Well, I'm not really creative. I just make jewelry over here, or I just do this. And it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

And you are creative. And so if you're one of these people listening and you're like, you're in that limbo, like maybe check out, you know, we'll put your link on, you know, if that's okay, Jodie. And people can check out your website because I think what now take us into the you know, once you get into you help someone get into their alignment, yeah, their identity, then what? Like, is that like stepping in? Do you help like envisioning with their dreams? Is it about like feeling where you're gonna be?

SPEAKER_05 43:31

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's I mean, there's over, there's about 128 lessons in the program.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 43:37

Uh, some of them are you do it yourself. Uh, you go through there's a workbook, there's some visuals, there's a video to go with every lesson. Some of them are pretty short, some of them might be two to four minutes long minutes long. There's an occasional like 20 or 30 minute video, but often I'm I'm explaining the concept and setting up what you're gonna do. Um, so, and then you're going and doing the work. And after you do the work, there might be some implementation depending on which stage you're at. So recognizing the room is we talked about that, revealing the room, naming it, exposing the lie. And then at the end of recognize it, which is phase one, you start designing the new room.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Okay, that's the fun part. That's the part I wanted to get to. Yeah, designing the new room.

SPEAKER_05 44:22

But this is only phase one.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

So at the end of phase one is designing the new room, the life you want to live. But to do that, to you can design it, right? So you envision it, you visualize it. This is how I want to wake up. This is who I want to surround myself with. This is the type of work I want to do. I want to live in the mountains or the beach. Um, I want to, you know, go on date night twice a month. I want uh a housekeeper to come once a month. Uh I want to um go see sunset every weekend with my kids, like whatever it is, day by day, and designing it down to the hour of your day, you start to think about that and write it out and start to move towards that because then everything else that you do is gonna have that, it's like putting that up on the wall in front of you and thinking, does this pass that filter? Does this pass that filter to move towards the life that I want to live? And that's the end of phase one, once you design it. So now you have it in mind. Now you need to wreck it. How do you wreck it? Well, now you have to disrupt your cycles and you have to dismantle your role altogether, whatever role you've assumed in your life, whatever mask or room that you want to wreck. And I do tell people going through the program to try and focus on one room, like the main primary room that you operate from, the main identity you operate from, um, the silent one, the perfectionist, the overachiever, um, the withdrawer. Uh, there's there's nine Enniogram personality types. And everybody falls into one of them, the loyalist. Um, and this is all described in the program. So when you dismantle that role, after you do that, then we take you through a series of exercises to reclaim your powers. And those are the powers that you gave away when you started building this room, and having that map that you did in part one of this is how the room was built, you see those moments clearly. That's where I gave away that power. That's where I gave away that power. That's how that happened. And you reclaim it, you reclaim the right to be who you are, not who you think you should be. So that's wrecking it. And then after wrecking it, and we rock the new room from a place of alignment and a place of internal power. And that power is like the internal lever, the ability to say yes or no to certain things that are aligned with you. So rebuilding a life with intention, activating your architect inside of you, and then anchoring the new identity, which is a lot of habit stacking and time blocking. So it's a lot of work. I'm not I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, it's a lot of work. Yeah, I have somebody going through the program now, and um, I keep having a nudge or like, have you finished this yet? Have you finished this? Like, you know, you gotta you gotta do it, you gotta do the work. And I I think that she's likely a staller. There's people who are stallers, they keep putting it off, and um, there's people who are drifters that just let life happen to them. And then there's uh people that are renovators where they they know that um or where they're taking action on making a change, but it's on the wrong things. You know, they're changing the wallpaper, changing the the furniture, but nothing changes because at their core they're not working on their identity and who they are, they have no awareness there. And the ultimate goal is to become an what I call an activated architect, fully activated, you know how to renovate the room. I'm sorry, you know how to rebuild the room, you know how to wreck it, you're fully aware of who you are and the rooms that you have a tendency to go back into. You can recognize when you're getting pulled back in there, and you can step right back out of it because you condition yourself with these um practices of disrupting the cycles. A simple example would be let's say you have uh someone cuts you off in traffic and you suffer from road rage.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

What does cussings count?

SPEAKER_05 48:25

I'm just kidding, especially in California, right? You get you get cut off, and your kids, you know, you know, your four-year-olds next to you, you son of a mother.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

You know, you start to I learned that early from my parents, you know. That's not a yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_05 48:38

I've never done that. No, I absolutely have done that. Let's say you want to replace that habit with something. So you have to recognize the trigger. The trigger is someone cutting you off. You recognize that that's the trigger. So now you have to replace the behavior that you're that reaction with a new behavior. It can be anything, it can be splashing water on your face, it can be a deep breath, it could be slapping your wrist every time, like anything to to help you recognize the trigger and replace the behavior with a new behavior.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Now, don't you think recognizing the trigger helps lessen it? Because that's that I I I I totally connect to that because a lot of you know, being sober as long as I've had, I've been through the 12 steps a bunch, and it's a lot. There's there's some similarities, right? So it's we're really doing an inventory on your life and what the triggers are and like the patterns. And it's almost like when you do that, yes, you it almost just like as soon as you recognize, at least for me, I would say like 80% of the fuel is gone from it. But then you are left with, okay, now what? You know what I mean? Like, what's what is here? You know, it's like, I feel like I just took off all my skin and what am I doing? So you do have to have a plan. I like that. What are you gonna replace that with really quickly so that you don't kind of stall, you know, settle for that can be kind of frightening, I guess, you know, is you have to get rid of it, but then you have something else that you do right away.

SPEAKER_05 50:06

Yeah, a simple like an example for me would be, you know, saying to my kids, it's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

It's a whole lot of insane.

SPEAKER_05 50:14

Yeah, yeah, but it's like they're not telling you something you want to say that, and it becomes habitual. And my parents say it to me, but instead of saying it's gonna be fine, I had to replace that, and with the help of my wife, of course, recommending this, okay, saying I'm sorry that happened to you. So now that's not something that came natural to me. I practice it again and again and again. This happened today, I was dealing with this. I'm really sorry that happened to you. Just that environment. So that and that took practice, you know. I wasn't my my first inclination was you're gonna be fine, it's no big deal.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Yeah, it's okay. It's no big deal. Yeah, kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

It invalidates it, it wasn't the right response. Yeah. So learning to recognize when I was about to say that and then replace it with that behavior.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm curious, Jody, and I know we were I we had I knew this was gonna happen. Like this is gonna be such a good conversation with you that we're already like getting close to our time. And I I I know a bit about your story because of coaching, you know, or being, you know, under your coaching. Um, but I would love it. I mean, I know it's a you know, very in-depth, and I love your story. Do you want to share any part of how like so? What brought you here to this, to wanting to do wreck the room? Like, how did that become a passion for you?

SPEAKER_05 51:43

That's a good question. Someone asked me this earlier today, and I had to pause as well. Um It took me a long time to recognize that I was living the life of my dreams. Like I just did it and didn't recognize it along the way. And I had many moments along the way where I had some breakdowns that I almost wrecked the whole thing. So, you know, when I first set out to coach musicians, it came from a similar place. Like, musicians are asking for my help. I can't place all their songs in projects, but I can teach them to do what I know how to do so they can do it themselves. Right? So it's the same thing, like just on a bigger scale. Um people need help. And there are conventional ways to go about seeking that help, you know, traditional therapy and uh ayahuasca. Yeah, it's right.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

There's a new some new new ways, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:58

There's all kinds of methods for seeking help. So um, I wanted to create a method based on what's worked for me. Nice. And that's where that's where it was born from. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

That's a fantastic. I love that. Yeah, that is really cool. Yeah, I mean, I I love so much of it. It's um it's been just so fun getting to know you too uh over the last, I think I've been in Sink Titan, it'll be two years this summer. And so I've been able to slowly hear more about your story. And I think you've kind this has been evolving in the last couple of years, I think, right?

SPEAKER_05 53:34

For sure. Yeah, I wasn't sharing this stuff before. I mean, no, you know, the framing was very different.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Yeah, so it's very been very cool to like kind of be a part of it, but not not and hear about it as you go along a little bit as it has unfolded. Um and I uh so I because I always go back to like for me, if I if I were to apply this to me, like doing it in a group with other people, is that something that you do? Because I love doing stuff with groups because when you hear other people, it makes it so much easier to recognize. Like, I might not recognize my room because we have really, really strong defenses as human beings to keep ourselves in those rooms. So that's why, like, you know, listening to somebody else, I'm like, oh yeah, I do that too. You know, but I might not be able to tell you that I do that. So do you do it like in a group?

SPEAKER_05 54:28

I will definitely, I will absolutely be doing a group coaching program. It'll be a group cohort. I don't know how many people would need to be in that group. I would say at least six, if not 10. Yeah, um, but I think if it gets too big, it's gonna be a little hard for sharing. Yeah, um, it's also some of it's very personal. So some people may not may not want to share, but I suppose to your point, they can, you know, they can kick back and listen to other people and learn from their stories and how they'll apply it to themselves. Yeah, so yeah, a group cohort's definitely um something I plan on doing at some point. Right now it's uh the do-it-yourself option or uh the one-on-one with me. Yeah, but yeah, I'd I'd like to do group cohort probably in the fall.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Wow, that's so exciting. I'm glad I asked that. Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic. Um do you have any questions for Chelsea? Do you have a question? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Uh well, no, I I I just kind of wanted to end on a um on a I guess a career question for you. Yeah. You you are living like your dream life, like your you know, and I mean, and that doesn't mean, you know, I mean, again, just like success. That means different things to different people. Yeah. Well, what does that look like for you? Like what is your what is your day involved? You know, what is your I don't know, what what if what do you find fun about it?

SPEAKER_05 55:51

I get to wake up every day and ask myself, what do I want to work on today?

SPEAKER_04 55:55

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 55:58

That's the that was the dream. My plan was always I wanted to retire by the time I was 40. I didn't quite do that. I'm quite I'm 46. Yeah, and I'm not retired. I don't think I'll ever actually retire because I enjoy working.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

I yeah, I can't retire. I don't ever but I get the sentiment.

SPEAKER_05 56:16

Yeah, getting, I mean, look, the fact that you you girls are sitting down and writing um a screenplay is amazing. Uh I know how fulfilling that can be, the creative process. Uh, I went through it with a buddy for we wrote something for like four years, and we didn't get anywhere with it, yeah. But it was such a fun process.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

It's so fun.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Like I'll be I'll be sad if nothing happens with our show just because I'm like really want to see it out there. I'm like, I want to watch this show. But I get that where it's like it's so satisfying in the moment too. It's just like okay.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

The solution to that is making it yourself.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

And that was what we keep hearing. We've yeah, that was the thing.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

We met with some, you know, we've had I I I've experienced in my life what when things are supposed to happen. I mean, this isn't just me. I'm just saying, I'm sure other people do this too. When things are supposed to happen, they align up. So actually, when I'm in alignment, other stuff winds up, is kind of what happens too, right? Yeah. And with this, it is we've had a lot of really cool alignment. And so it's been like, okay, put on your seatbelt, Chelsea. This is going somewhere. You know, it's like and we when we came up to PMC, which was so fun, I loved it, and I'm so excited to go back again. Um, we met with somebody that is a showrunner that Chelsea worked with. And I don't know if we've said his name on this, so I won't say his name, but yeah, just in case. I don't know. He um, you know, we sat with him, he he got back back to us.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

He like it was more back to as a mentor, not as somebody that's gonna produce it. Just some of the relationship with it.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Yeah, busy guy, you know. I mean, he just he was very responsive and he he we asked if we could meet with him and just talk about our idea and what we're working on. And he's like, great. And so we sat down, he sat with us for like two hours, and he gave us so much direction and he like basically has said that this is a great idea. And then he said, these are the I these are the avenues you can go. And you know, he gave us like I think three different avenues, and and now we're doing the pit, you know, we're working on the pilot and the pitch that you have to have. Everyone has to have a certain formula for the pitch.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

And um, but one of them was if we can't get you, if it doesn't get picked up, we can you can raise money and do it this way. And so we're like, okay, we're thinking about that, but it's it's definitely been we we've been pushing on a door. This is kind of what I've learned in my life. If you push on a door and the door really opens quickly, okay, go. This is the direction. If it doesn't, you go, okay, let's like hang back a little bit and reevaluate. Re-evaluate, and maybe it's not supposed to be that way, and you let it go and you go, you know, you kind of move move to the next door, you know. But so far, this is going.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Well, and you the the film that you because you produced or co-produced a film, right? Co-produced. How did that all come about? Yeah. I mean, especially with you being focused, you know, majority in music. I think that's so awesome. Like the crossover and the, you know, the place, all the places we go.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

And I think you were also part of the music supervision and that too.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Yeah, well, and that's how it came about. I mean, I I'd worked with Herschel, the the director, um, not the writer, but the director before many years ago, probably about eight years ago, if not more, on a film called Cavemen. Um, I was a music coordinator on that, and Greg Still was the music supervisor. And Herschel and I met over in in Sherman Oaks at the Galleria for lunch one day. And turns out he went to the same um alma mater as me for Florida State University. And then he moved back west. I'm sorry, back east. I'm tired. Is it Friday? It is Friday. Is it Friday?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

And then it's Friday's afternoon. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

So he he moved back to Florida and we stayed in touch. And then I was in Japan and uh with my family, and he sent out an email blast to his all the contacts about the film, and it was more of a crowdfunding blast, you know, like a GoFundMe.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:26

And I said, Herschel, could you send me the script? And he sent me the script, and then I spent a couple weeks with it. Um, because I didn't read it until I got home. I remember reading it on my on my uh patio. I read it in one sitting, it's an it was an amazing script. Um, you know, had all the feels in it. I laughed, I cried. Uh immediately I hung up and I called uh Michael, my partner at Elite Music Coaching. Yeah, said, I need to send you a script, you need to read this. Um, I have an idea. And the idea was, why don't we consider uh investing in this and coming on as producers? And that way we can get uh like clipwrites and be able to teach using this film to show some really deep insights that you really can't get anywhere else to our students.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

Um, because even as a music supervisor, when you're for hire as a contractor, it's someone else's property. Yeah, so in this case, it's it's not technically, we don't own the property, but we have points on it, right? We're producers on it and we're investors on it. So um part of the deal, part of part of our deal terms was the ability to do that. It also allowed me to put my son forth as an actor to be in the film. Nice, it served multiple purposes. Um, he had to audition, of course, like everybody, but he ended up getting the role as uh the bully in the film, Mason the Bully. Which makes sense. He always gets cast as a bully because he's very, very confident kid, like he can sell ice to Eskimos, even if it's not made of ice. Um yeah, so he got the role as the bully, and we flew to Miami uh twice for some days of filming. I was able to be there on set for two weeks at a time, so like a four-week period total. So I learned a lot. I was I was a producer on this, but it was my first project, which means I was totally absorbing everything. Yeah, I had never you know booked any set locations before or um dealt with craft services or anything like that. I was sitting back and learning. Yeah, so um my main role was everything to do with the music, and that was that's how it came to be. It was you know an investment, I'll music supervise, um, and I'll help out. Here's what I'd like in return, right? So sometimes it's just um leveraging what you do to open up a new door. And I will say that I've I've always thought about producing. I wanted to make movies when I was younger. I applied to film school and I didn't get into film school, so I ended up going to TV majoring in TV production, which brought me into news and ultimately where I am today. But it is bringing it full circle to now I get to make movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:16

So yeah, it's like you know, um, that manifestation, the visualization, and keeping true and aligned, and just it the things have a way of working out when you work from that place.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:29

Yeah, yes, it's a calling kind of too. I feel like when you have a calling for something, it just doesn't go away. You know, it just it keeps calling at you, and you're like, okay, I don't know how long I've been like, I don't want to talk about that, I don't want to hear that yet, you know. And then it's like, but then when it comes together, you're like, oh my god, yes, I've been thinking about that for 25 years. Okay, or tried that before and it didn't work. It's kind of how Chelsea and I have felt about this project. So it's been cool. Yeah, this project, and yeah, and where is I know you guys have been talking about Ethan Bloom and it was going on, you know, in the festivals and stuff. Where is it now? Is it something that we can uh it's in Del Ray right now?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:07

It's in Del Rey this weekend. It's back in Delray, South, South Florida. Okay, there's a Delray uh big community down there, and we'll see where it goes from there. I mean, our hope is it goes to New York, it will be out in LA at some point, it'll be at the Lumleys out here. So I'll I'll be sure to let you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

Yeah, I'm close. I'll come out and come see it. I'd love to.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

Yeah, that would be is this is this eventually gonna be something for streaming or something that people can watch?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:31

Um I would be shocked if it doesn't get picked up. I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:35

Okay, it's such a good film.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:36

It will get so much garbage that gets picked up.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

That's the that's the thing. Oh my god, Christy and I talk about that all the time where we're just like, there's so much garbage or stuff that's been redone, or hey, let's look at it from a different point of view. Okay, we we know the story.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

Yeah, no, I know you're very excited about this, Jody. And I've seen clips, I've watched the behind the scenes a little bit of it. So I'm excited. Like, I'm I I really do hope it gets streamed and and that all the contracts are good, you know, because that's all it's all contracts too, and you guys all have good contracts, and yes, it's getting standing ovations everywhere it's airing.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:11

Oh my gosh, and you know what? For beyond it being my part a project I'm a part of, yeah, it's speak it says something about the state of the film industry. Yeah, and an indie film like this that gets made for not a ton of money, yeah, when it's getting standing ovations from crowds at theaters, and it's not a big blockbuster superhero movie, yeah. That says something. It says something that people are craving films like this. They're craving old, you know, the Breakfast Club, and they're craving 16 candles and those types of movies. So I hope I hope that more of them get made and that you know theaters start bringing them back, and the industry can support that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

Yes, yes, I'm so with you on that. I feel the exact same way. Yeah, that's kind of our that's with our TV series. That's yeah, that's that's why we're so

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

passionate about being involved in the project even after after it gets picked up yeah after it gets to do something because we that's really important to us you know to make sure the tone of it stays where it is because it could be really easy to go well you know we can make more money if it's um you know we get a little bit more of this negative drama well we don't want that that's not that's not our ideal no no not a hallmarky buying that's where you have that option to make it yourself yeah that's if you go down that it's like you always want to be what did they say you always want to be the the buyer right you always want to be the buyer like you're willing to walk away basically yeah you're always okay walking away from any deal knowing that it's fine it's not aligned we'll just go make it ourselves yeah which is where that alignment identity is really important and it comes into this kind of work because I think you can get and I think this anything I think when people can want something so badly I call it the wanas you know like I have to be careful of the wanas because when you want something so bad that you're willing to like oh not listen to that identity or that alignment to get it you're oh it's always a mistake you know to me it's always a mistake can be yep yeah yeah Jody this has been so much fun I'm sorry I've had you came on time yeah yeah thank you and we'll definitely put some links for you on this so we are on YouTube and we're also on all the streaming platforms for um for uh podcasts so if people want to find you they can so there's and you you have many different hats if you're interested in sync and you want to do any of your musician and you're listening I've I've given your information away to a few of people I know that are wanting to learn about the business part because you guys do such a good job on the business part of um and all of it placement academy I'm just throwing that out there it's amazing you guys you guys have you you should have those links you you have those links that you can share so you are some Titan ambassadors.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

Oh yes I did I recently shared one to produce our my my vocal coach so yeah and and then also for elite music coaching jodiefriedman.com I even put the ethanbloom film.com on there if people want to look into that so you can see when it's coming to your area but uh Chelsea did you want to say anything else another thank you to Jody oh yeah I just I thank you jodie and this has been great um I would we'd love to have you on at a future episode you know maybe after some things happen with wreck the room and Ethan bloom and you know kind of just an update and get into more of your story because it's it's really inspiring. So yeah we can love that.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:45

There's a there's a new thing that I I built two days ago. Oh you wouldn't have this link but I'm pretty excited about it because I think that it I think it could prove helpful for certain people maybe not everybody but I think everybody could use this because it it certainly helped me. You know in the pursuit when you're an entrepreneur or a high achiever just in life when you're trying to live your life and design that dream life whatever that might mean for you there's a question mark. And that question mark is well what do I need to earn to live that life? Oh good question yeah what's the number what's the exact number that I need to make to live that life so I designed a calculator that will you enter in all the expenses that you would need to live that dream life monthly what would it cost to again you want to live by the beach in Newport or in Louisiana or in South Carolina like on a three bedroom house or a five bedroom house or you want a castle in Scotland like what is it? What would it cost? Write it down enter it into the calculator it's called the dream calculator I love it it's called the dream life calculator and it's called the wreck the room number wreck the room number so um calculate it enter in all your expenses set your tax rate hit the number it'll tell you the exact number that you need to earn the gross number and also the take home the net number so you'll have the number and once you have the number then you start working towards that number and that often starts with who you are not yes you know how you think not what you need to do. Yeah so it all it all ultimately leads back of course to wreck the room but it's called um number dot recktherom dot com number dot dot reck the room dot com.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

No excited about that yeah I believe this 100% is you what you focus on is what you get. Absolutely so like if you if you for me and for many people I know when you set a goal like that that might seem very far away there's gonna be all this resistance that can show up to tell you all these crit we talk about the critics and we talk about this show all the time all the critics that are going to try to take you back into those old rooms but if you have that focus it might not happen in the in a month or two months but for me it's happened over time that when you set that goal that you're here I would not be living in San Diego. I'm from Phoenix I'm from a not very nice area of Phoenix I don't care about going back to Phoenix it's a little less costly in Phoenix yeah a little right and so I I mean I so I believe in a lot of this I like I have a lot of experience that shows like yes I am so excited I want to do your calculator and put it all in for our show how much I'm like because I'm like Chelsea we're gonna need to get a place in LA to you know for part time write it in write it in so that and that's just it like you you will be shocked when you put in like I want to go first class and I want to go on this many vacations and I want a villa and all this stuff and you price it out and you enter it in you will be shocked you're gonna think the number is much higher than it is yes right oh oh but you're saying you'll be shocked that it's not probably not going to be as bad as you think or not as we'll use a positive word.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:06

It's gonna be a little bit lower.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

Yeah it's reachable but our brains will tell us it's not because you know or some people like myself will have the brain that says automatically oh I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:19

Yeah I need 10 million I need 20 million a year or something like no you don't you don't yeah oh my gosh I'm so excited that's really cool that you came up with like that you designed that that's I and I think that's one of the that's been one of the fun like most fun things like learning about you and getting to know you is just I I appreciate it so much because my brain goes to different things like there's just a lot of things and I let things go from okay you know what this is going to lead into this so I love that. I can appreciate that so much. Yes so this has been so good. Um thank you again Jody and um for our listeners we're we're so bad about remembering to say this so um like us subscribe follow us on Instagram um reach out you know there's things topics you guys want to want to hear about um any questions for Jody you know like reach out find you know hit up hit up his links um and yeah so thank you again jody and I hope you guys have a great rest of your day sorry thanks for having me guys good to see you guys thank you Jody all right bye guys thanks so much for listening to the creative download hosted and produced by Christy Bruneau and Chelsea Lee edited by Chelsea Lee