this is the creative download hosted by Christy Bruneau and Chelsea Nettleton created by creatives to inspire and encourage others to live in the fullness of their creativity on today's episode we are talking about Resistance resistance and I know we were just laughing that those of you out there that that know what resistance is like you're gonna be resisting wanting to listen to this episode on resistance haha and who are we Chelsea oh man yeah so I'm Chelsea Nettleton I'm a singer songwriter um scriptwriter photographer videographer budding music producer um and I and I like to say right now that I'm a wannabe children's book illustrator even though I'm probably most children can draw better than me haha someday I can draw flowers now that I'm pretty proud of so I'll take that you know it makes me happy hey there you go a budding flower okay and who are you Christie well I am also a singer songwriter scriptwriter dancer I still want to be a backup dancer maybe on the Grammys or just it with behind Jlo hmm there you go oh what's that oh like painting literally physically on clothes oh so like finding some thrift store jeans how fun is that I love that I love that and that be so therapeutic and fun and then who knows maybe you'll love it and you'll get to do something else with it we never know exactly at least wear them yes exactly and I can wear it and then be in my creativity yeah and people be like dude where'd you get those jeans you be like oh they're one of a kind I just I got the only I got the only pair haha they're priceless haha I'm kind of stealing the idea because I saw somebody with jeans well yeah black and white flowers on them like oh my God I love your jeans did you do those she goes no I bought you know I found them at a boutique in LA and I was like haha oh that's I love it no it that well that's the best that's the best way to do things right it's like taking stuff it's like what we do with reference songs where we have something really well I really like that I wanna you know or or somebody that's you know a painter or something like they have a reference painting and they wanna do you know they wanna replicate but in their own style so heck yeah I'm excited you'll just you'll have to when we when you get when you get your first pair done even even if it's even if you're not proud like happy with it yet which I have a feeling you'll be very happy with it I think you'll be able to do it and kill it that's oh haha hey that's okay haha um so yeah I'd be curious to hear from our yeah our drawers our you know comic drawers whatever and see cause I feel like drawing is different than painting is different than yeah you know drawing comics yeah you maybe you'll be really good at painting yes we're gonna see so I have to be very intuitive on this because if I try to like I have a desire to do like flowers or something like you were talking about with flowers you can paint flowers but then I'm like usually when I have the most fun and have creativity like just innocent like raw creative fun I don't try to paint anything so I may just be doing colors I just whatever color comes to mind I go with that yeah so we'll see so so we don't know how to turn out but that's my new that's that kind of was like I like to look for things that are like exciting me like in a different way you know and it's like a destroy kind of well this will go into our topic actually is part of how I deal with my own resistance so um I'll talk about it a little bit more I did wanna go back to our quote though about Renee Brown from last episode cause I kind of started talking about but I did wanna read her quote and this is what kind of I think gave us the idea to go into resistance um so it's really the underlining uh quote to launch us into resistance it says unused creativity gets shamed out of us and turns into rage grief judgment sorrow and shame we are divine beings and we are by nature creative this unused creativity then feels resistance um which we are gonna talk about today so it's the unused creativity right so oh I got so much to say about the unused creativity but if not everybody listening can relate and I I hope you guys get some encouragement um well not just me I I know Christine and I both are excited oh I did want to say really quick so I kind of had my half thought going back to our physical artists uh huh like the difference you know if you notice that it's a big difference like if you're a physical artist can you draw and paint and watercolor and hit it I'm I'm a fantastic drawer I can't paint for crap I would just be curious cause I just we don't you and I Christy and I are not hmm hmm but it but for us it would be like lyrics versus poems hmm people who don't do those things would think they're the same but I don't I don't I actually really don't like writing poetry anymore I did it when I was younger hmm it's a very different thing for me mm hmm for our physical creators yeah let's hear from our visual artists right cause there's so part of it too like a whole piece like when you put you know music together there's like the whole visual part to when you're pretty you know putting a song out so anyway so there's the visual artists or we're all just that all the whole creativity um that goes into music is encompasses a lot of art so so we have you know we're we're so excited to be talking about resistance yeah let's recap a little bit cause you got a cool thing come up it was so neat and we'll try and I'll try and remember guys and when I listen back to this I'll remind myself this way but we'll try and put that Elizabeth Gilbert quote onto our you know like the information so you guys can see that for yourselves Renee Brown that one was Renee Brown and then we have Elizabeth but we love to quote Elizabeth Gilbert a lot too but that was a Renee Brown quote yeah hmm I still like reading it and um it's interesting how much my week haha how how how that uh huh but yeah so just kind of recapping last week we talked about and then I'm so so thankful for you guys for listening I'm so good one thing I didn't get to share uh last week just cause I I I find it interesting I like I like to say that I forgot but I'm like you know what maybe it wasn't the right time for to share that part so after you guys have digested you know what we went over last week you know with my story and how you know the the unfortunate events of Columbine then sparking the song that I you know that I got to perform for um our prom rally um just kind of being that first spark of wow hey hey hey that's something I wanna do with it but it took me a while to get on that journey so I find it interesting that I finally have gotten to a point in my life where I'm like I have to work on like I guess they never miss I have to work on my scriptwriting I have to work on my screenwriting and when I say have to I can't not yes MHM um it's and I know Christy the voice is loud in you the force like the voice is loud yes that was my poor Yoda impression but for maybe that gave you guys a laugh it's true I'm finally in a place in my life where a lot of things have come together where I'm like damn it I'm doing this um and you know again it may not even maybe it's always gonna be a hobby as far as like maybe I won't you know it won't be my full time career but I just know that I have to make the time for it um I can't deal with the sorrow and grief anymore haha now that I know what that's coming from hmm hmm so I got it I got just some brief encouragement from a friend of ours and I don't think she'd mind if I said her name but a friend of mine from high school that was at that prom rally she we were in the same grade her name is Alana and hey guys it sounds like a totally out of the blue like we hadn't talked you know probably since high school or just Facebook friends and she messaged me and she asked me about that song and and how many years ago was that such good synchronicity right now that's what that is yeah cause she basically she just was like man do you remember when you wrote that song and and performed it and then I think we you know we had to we had another bomb scare that week hmm uh huh and so we had to go to a nearby church like we had to evacuate the high school that I was in uh huh uh huh do you remember that and I was like oh my gosh do I remember that it's forever stuck in my memory but she's like man I just that was so comforting uh huh I was like in tears reading this message so first of all thank you uh huh but I just I throw that out here cause I was like I was in tears I was so touched and it just was kind of a um confirmation that I'm going in the right direction yes so anyways oh I love that so for any of those that haven't you know that missed last episode um give it a listen it's a little bit longer um but it was really fun to share that story and then also you know trying to encourage like I didn't figure out really what I wanted to do and should be doing until like you know yeah feeling like I'm able to pursue some of these things yes yes don't ever let it go hmm it's never too late it's never too late to pre pursue your passions you might there might be limitations you know you may be like I think we talked about this like you you know maybe you can't be go back to the you know try and be an Olympic gymnast if you're you know in your 60s yeah they might well they do have Senior Olympics so you could do it in Senior Olympics but yeah so just don't give up on that um anyways so that's our recap from last week um Christy what have you oh actually yeah so just a reminder we do get fan mail through our website but we actually can't respond back um mostly cause buzz sprout wants to keep y'all's um just just wait a second your contact information but Instagram you can message us follow us on Instagram the creative download podcast yeah YouTube yeah Facebook and YouTube so if you wanna watch it if you wanna watch us talk you can you wanna see what we look like with our headphones on and glasses yeah where do we look professional yeah but yeah so our social uh podcast yep the Creative Download podcast.com um and our email address hello at the Creative Download podcast.com yep you can get in touch with us now um so just know that if you message us um we love the messages through you know our fan mail through the the website we just won't be able to respond back to you yeah just you can throw it on our socials or email us yes and I did get a text from one of my songwriter friends give a shout out to Caitlin Kelly um she texted that she just feels very inspired by this podcast and she just um I met her at Judy Stakey's Songwriter Retreat Nashville and she and I got a chance to write together in a writing group for the day so I got to know her pretty well in that very short period of time and I know she's just wrapping up her own um CD and beautiful songs and um yeah so thank you Caitlin for telling us that it means so much to hear people are listening and that it's inspiring cause that's why we're doing it and I know I know for me selfishly it helps inspire me and and we've talked about this and we'll talk about this later on in our like episodes on collaboration but I know this helps me like yes but just because it's it's keeping us in the creative mode and the fact that you know we're like we wanna help inspire other people so we you know it's like a weird full circle right so it's like it helps us I agree I told drew this my husband this morning oh this is also for us you know like we're doing this for us because we would be doing this just so y'all know Chelsea and I would be doing this without a microphone and headphones with each other talking about all that we're talking about so basically what we decided is to just like let people listen in on what our conversations are you know so that like we have these conversations before we write and I think this will be what and I always jump ahead of myself cause I was like oh this is the idea for the next episode but this is a part of an example of what collaboration would look like and we'll get into that in our collaboration episode in the future cause I know we've talked about that that is something that I've had to learn and you've been learning you've Learned to do that a big part of it is like just really being authentic vulnerable and honest and being able to talk about who you are your creativity to be able to get that authentic creative piece you wanna share like in songwriting or like when on our TV series you know so we're just this is what we would be doing anyways we're just like we're just like putting it out there yeah that's it when I walk away from podcasting with you I know me too so I'm like yeah so you're spot on like we would be doing this without the microphones and then we realized well let's just throw them some microphones on and see if yeah and it feels so good to hear somebody inspired someone so thank you Caitlin for letting me know Holly there for listening I just appreciate your encouragement like it's so fun when you text me and you go when is the next episode out yeah and my co writers listen to George and Lori um you know they they're George Slavic he's a great songwriter Lori Gilbert is a wonderful lyricist songwriter so um they listen to so thanks guys definitely appreciate you guys so thankful for y'all um yeah we'll get into resistance here but just just a brief update lots of stuff yeah this week's this week's been busy I um have kind of a an intention of how I look at my creativity right now and so there's it's like in three parts so I have the creative part I have the community collaboration part and then I also have the business part I really kind of put it into these three business like abundance you know and so I've been doing and part of that is um you know we just finished um I just finished doing two songs for the vocals for a demo and then we I just had a lot of like meet up so all three of those things were going on at one time you know and I'm a part of Sink Titans that's like a I don't think I've talked about this here but that's it focus oh have we okay so Sink Titans is um through elite music coaching Jody Friedman and Michael Eisner are the um coaches and but they're also a um sink agency so sink is is having your songs licensed into TV and film and um Jody actually had gone through I think Judy Stakey's very first um songwriter retreat in LA at her house so I connected to that right away and actually Judy encouraged me to go through their program so but a lot of their program is the business aspect of of the television and film industry not so much the music industry so I've been learning it's been a lot of learning way to coaching call this week which is always really good about what's going on in the industry so we get to listen to a lot of uh I had a listening session where we listen to a lot of people songs listening sessions are amazing um however I guess it took me away from my creativity a little bit cause I was doing kind of those other tube aspects um and then I also have gone through Judy Stakey and Mike Myers Hitmakers songwriting development program this last year in 2,024 so they just started their 2,025 and I've been we've been invited to their Q&A's as alumni so I've been kind of going to those and so it's been um a lot like and I've had work so um I'm but I'm gonna say there so here's how my like how I'm almost always thinking about creativity now which is really cool cause I don't put it on the shelf and so at night I I watch TV but I'm no and and this is because I'm proud you know I'm learning more about sink licensing I'm obsessed with the show Killing Eve I was telling you about okay I like the murder mysteries I like CIA my husband hates them he's like okay is this show gonna be somebody getting stabbed in the face I'm like probably yeah he owe it well and one time he walked in and there was this this character in Killing Eve who is a fantastic actress I am obsessed with Jody Kilmer I think is her name she's so good she's the assassin yeah well Sandra owes the um actual main character she's like MI6 um spot you know works for them and then um the other gal gosh what's her name Villanelle um her name is Jody Komar and she's she's the assassin so the two characters are lovely but I'm watching it because the music is different um I got sucked in with the music it's by a band there's a trio unloved and they're basically creating a character through the music so this she really develops the characters the songwriter at in this series so like I've just been obsessed with the music so I'm at night watching this like going who is what song is this like looking up all these songs and doing all these deep dives so that's kind of more what I've been paying attention to um this week so a lot a lot of stuff but and that's so I'll I'll hop on onto that what I've been working on and cause mine actually kind of combines with what I've been working on what I've been paying attention to hmm hmm so we're talking about resistance this week guess what I struggled with incredibly hard this week racist dance yeah and it was interesting because I didn't want it to master me so to speak um and it's not that it did I just that's what I ended up paying attention to because I was so busy I had so many different things I had I I juggle a lot of different things with my my current job that you know pays the bills well I have I have a part time job and then I have my media business um you know but neither one is enough to pay the Bill on its own so I have you know yeah I'm trying to learn you know I'm working on some courses in digitaling and web design because I wanna add those to my media business you know and hopefully be able to free up some time eventually yep I think most of my time has been focused on you know doing doing the work to pay for things so that down the road yes I've stayed consistent with because it was like I have to do this is my morning pages hmm okay great that's good like I love my morning time and I am not a morning person but I love my ritual of getting up getting my coffee and doing my morning pages so much now that I will get up early enough you know them before I either have to go to work or we're gonna shoot or you know whatever so but you know but in the in the um in all you know transparency and authenticity which is what we want our show to be about I didn't have I didn't I should say I didn't make enough time for my creative endeavors I am like I haven't worked on a song in over a week yeah my friend Pete and I are co writing we have a new song that we're working on um title yet but we have our we have a melody and we had we love like what he's got the guitar for it and that's what kind of inspired the melody we don't have the words yet but I haven't had a chance I didn't even have a chance to listen just to our instrumental and in the melody that we came up with but it was on my mind the whole time and I'm like I need I've got to find time for this hmm there's the voice yeah like we finished the I finished the draft yes yes I finished that last week this week the goal was to get a second or third draft finished and I haven't been able to touch it you know just because of all these other obligations and I'm like okay so clearly I have too much on my plate I've got to figure out so I I throw that out there for you guys yeah you know the how much you know how easy it is for things to jump onto our plate but how we wanna encourage like how important it is to make sure that you have the time for those things because because so I was experienced resistance and going back to that Bernay Brown quote hmm ask my husband poor guy no I'm just kidding yeah they always get it first yeah but then I realize I'm like oh my gosh this is exactly what we've been talking about so um yeah you're kicking us off right into resistance but I love how you just said that you said it perfect that how do I identify when you're in the resistance you know I mean you're I think the that you did a great job of identifying like your feelings even like just to even identify the feelings I think we don't always as humans know how to identify what the feeling is like there's we have basically have not been given permission to do that in our culture so I mean I'm gonna say that all there is a um so I did Atlas of the heart with a couple girlfriends of one therapist and another one that works in treatment and here I am the like songwriter you know like let's do this book Atlas of the heart by Bernay Brown and um and you know okay so it's so funny we talked about her I am not like I know some people I I do think she's does amazing work she's an emotional scientist we need her but I know some people are really really into her they read all her books I read a couple of them like I I take what I like but like I she's not I don't wanna make her sound like she's the BL and all um although she's done a lot of her research she is a scientist so I say it like this so she she does research on how on the emotions of our culture and there's two things that she came out with that would really helpful for me one is it when we were starting the um Atlas of the heart which is how she groups together the emotions of how we experience them and how we would connect them as opposed to like a chart like site therapist might give you a chart of like how are you feeling today my husband and I went through this and we'd stand in front of the chart and we get you know like I think it's that one I think I'm mad you know so like people could identify I think I'm mad you that's me I'm I'm always mad that's like the one that I'll go to so um but the the research she did was that on average people only identify three feelings and it's happy sad and mad that's like been what we've probably been given permission to identify so she could so I recommend the book if you're interested in your feelings it's a great way to look at how feelings kind of operate because we are and I this my belief we are feeling beings that's a guidance system in our nervous system that's given to us so we can identify stuff like you just did like you identify oh I'm feeling grief I'm feeling well and that words kind of a taboo too we don't know how to deal with it still in our culture how to deal with sorrow um how to deal with all those feelings so once you identify and so we give ourselves permission to feel and learn what our feelings are guess what it doesn't matter if you're man or woman either I know for a long time I've heard men say well I only feel a few feelings that's not true you've only been given permission to feel those and it's coming out in stuff it right and stuffing it as a create as creative beings that we all are creates resistance and it creates tension in the body and all those things that go on you know that so when we talk about resistance and feelings like I hope stick with us because no and oh God this is I just realized too this is so powerful for for what we're talking about today too there's so much out there so as far as emotions and feelings people think oh that's a feminine thing and then oh it's a masculine thing to be tough oh my God y'all we have it so wrong yeah I was just talking to my good friend uh huh uh huh but yes guys you are those of those guys out there that don't feel like you're allowed to feel oh there's a yeah you're not emotional you're not I struggled with this for years I was like oh I'm too emotional oh they're shaming ourselves for the for the feelings yeah I'm a I'm a where I'm a creative being just like all you know all of us and I was choosing to look at it that I wasn't allowed to have those feelings and emotions and do you have to learn how to kind of deal with them yeah yeah but I wasn't figuring out a way to let those out yeah I know it's so now I really think we're moving into in general and our culture more emotionally intelligent um so we've really focused I mean I'm coming from an education background when I say this okay so like in the in education because I wasn't a trained educator went to school to become a teacher um most of what we're doing is intellectual education IQ right and now in the last like 10 since I've been in real estate which is interesting how like when I left teaching went into real estate by the way I went into real estate so I can pursue my music that was the intent of that going into real estate and it's working like it's actually working for me but it took about 10 years of doing real estate to be able to like really get that down and know what I'm doing with all that so but EQ emotional intelligence is more now where we're moving to and I think a lot of people and I'm and I'm in this we can speak generally because I we've already said it in our prior podcast and in this like and I just said it in Bernay Brown's quote we are all creative beings and our creativity is linked to our emotions and so whether we're watching creativity or we're creating creativity you know it's it's touching in on that part of ourselves and so the resistance okay I woke up so sorrowful today like I was just like so sad I was just like and I think um it's because of this balance I talked about earlier like I usually do have more creative time it's raining here I haven't done my walks there's certain things that weren't happening and I and the first thought is I'm so sad like why am I so sad why am I so sad yeah what what's and I have to watch this critical I have a I have some critics I have a chorus of critics yes have a chorus and there's one that likes to say a lot what's wrong with you and that is there is nothing wrong with me when I wake up and I feel sad that is a normal feeling and and it's not and then I remembered oh wait a minute there that's just the one of the three what is really going on and it's and it's you know and what is really going on is that I have a lot of work going on right now in real estate and so it's pulling me away from where I wanna be what I wanna be doing creatively and I'm feeling the time changes you know there's like a bunch of things and my yo I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of things going on so once I get to that point I don't have to like I don't the resistance and I know you're gonna talk about this book and I'm gonna lead you into it is internal it is I were talking about a lot of internal things that happen and um my resistance can come from the external originally but then I internalized that and I am now my resistance is internal and I watched it a lot this week with some new people in music where they were being given suggestions and you could see the whole body and everything and I was the same way I was the same way so I know we have a really good book to introduce on this resistance I wanna turn it back to you um to talk about the book that I couldn't even find it so I couldn't find it anywhere this week yeah 10 copies on fifth on the list I'm like and my and my bookstore didn't carry it and they wouldn't order it for me I'm like oh my god this is like the secret book now I really gotta have it I got mine um so I did get mine from my library I it was so cool talk about divine intervention I stumbled across it literally when I was just starting to do some research for I love that and then a book kind of like flies out to you like here this is for you it was so cool cause I was like when I first went to the library and it's called The War of art we haven't said the name of the book yeah but just so you can see what is that I can see it clearly yeah alright yeah break through the blocks and win your inner creative battles cause it is resistance is an inner creative battle I just I can't say this enough I don't know Steven Pressfield I I don't know if he's I imagine he's a good human based on what I've read haha you know so I don't know anything about him I just know that what he wrote uh huh yeah and I so if you I mean do anything you can to find it I got mine once I got it from the library um and all these tabs like it is a used book yes you have you have worked through that yeah and this is what I actually had in the library book I because I didn't wanna Mark in it of course so I just use tabs and I mean I had tabs on almost every page so then once I got there's my own copy now cause I was like I have to have this this is a book that belongs on my shelf so I literally went back through everything that I'd read put all the tabs right in the right place and then went ahead and highlighted cause I love highlighting and marking I love marking up my books so that I know what I you know um so I can't recognize recommend this and I almost said recognize mom yeah and it was just it was just perfect timing so what were it's broken into in the book hmm you know what kind of chat through each part we we were Christy and I were chatting about this like getting ready for this episode um because it's it's not a big book yeah well and it's and it's like you can kind of find probably I'm I'm guessing in this book you can find where you're at to go to you don't have to read it from beginning to end and like and so I think like recognizing like what is resistance it's hard like I think the reason why Chelsea you recognize that you're in resistance or this is what it is cause we've been talking about it so now that you know and and it gets talked about in um the the programs we've gone through in songwriting development programs it gets talked about in um in the program of the Saint Titans it gets talked about like when we resist um something I think when we went here's what the resistance it was like for me about five years ago and I'll just cause I I told you I was at so I get coached in real estate my whole team does by a really great coach Tom Ferry he's probably one of the top coaches in the real estate business shout out to Tom he's been amazing yeah yeah and and you think it's gonna be yeah and you go when I first started excited I really wanted to get coached everybody said you gotta get coaching in real estate I thought it was gonna be all about learning about real estate and it's really not it's more like life coaching you being the best person you can be he gives you a lot of real estate facts because you do need to know real estate but anyways you know he had said okay you know I know none of you are here how many of you are here because you woke up or you grew up thinking I wanna be a real estate agent haha you know and it's like you know there's like 5,000 people in the room and like 10 raise their hands you know what I mean it's like most people going to real estate for not they that's not the first thing they thought of they wanna do unless they had a family member that was really successful and they followed him in that's kind of how he took it and he goes so I really want you to write down like what is it that you really really wanna do because keep basically he's doing what we were doing you need to have that part of your life active and it's funny his brother Matthew Ferry is a songwriter he does coaching yeah he does coaching um for creative so it's really an interesting thing so but for real in real estate so for the creatives in real estate he coaches cause he says we're a very special group okay but I but it's everybody you know everybody really has this in them and I went up to him cause we get to talk to him he's like we're one of my my boss is one of he's very interactive and my boss is his first client so like we we have kind of we get to talk to him and he and I said Tom I gotta tell you I gotta tell you you know what my dream is I really just wanna write good songs I'd love to write a hit song and he goes great go study hit songs go learn what it means to write a hit song and I was so offended that's the resistance that was the resistant like how and I watch this like I can't study hit songs like I'm writing from my soul I'm writing from my heart how do I take that that's gotta be different I'm gonna write a hit song is gonna be like this but what I'm writing is so I had not didn't know at the time that that's resistance creative resistance like the way that you responded was it as if he had said you don't have the capability you need to go study other people and then you can write a hit song like you don't like was it no it was like a personal like I don't even know what it was I can't even tell you I don't maybe offended is not even the right word I just I walled up oh okay you know like I walled up like I you know like I don't wanna go do that writing learning to me it was intellectual okay so now I'm gonna talk through it I don't never really thought about it until somebody else is what you said I was writing very from the heart you know very much from the heart and so no but then he was taught what I heard from him was that I needed to intellectualize that and there was a part of me that did not wanna go there and now I can see it as resistance now because I've gone through songwriting I've gone through really really good songwriting development with Judy I yeah I think you can go you know depends on who your teacher is honestly so there's there is a bridge between those two things you do need to have a knowledge of a structure and so it was just really interesting to me that when we were talking about this resistance I was like oh my god that was like five or six years ago and that resistance really kept me for another three years before I went to Judy's retreat and I felt like that retreat was very safe to go to because I guess it was an unsafe feeling I think I felt like I had to protect myself I had to protect the songs yeah I had to protect my songs from I had to protect what I was doing because if I make them a hit song they're not gonna be like they were still my babies like all this kind of stuff I hear a lot of songwriters that come into the songwriting development programs start to say like oh that was me I was definitely doing that so when I it's so cool to be able to like be in some of the groups when people are just starting songwriting development because I see where I was and how I've Learned how to bridge that and let learn how to like I remember the moment in Judy's songwriting development where I decided oh it was a light bulb went on oh I'm here for the long game for songwriting like you said I have to do it yep I don't need to re I don't need the all these songs that I've written for 30 years they can be where they're at I can write new songs and learn this new way and combine those two things and write good songs like it was like but I needed a lot of the help along the way to get there that makes sense oh 100% and I mean that's no one thing it was I I can't remember if I talked about this in our very first episode but I I think it's very worth repeating if no cause I cause again when I started doing research and this book popped out there was another book that that I started reading I think I read it first mm hmm another phenomenal book that I have in my Thrift Books you know favorites list as soon as I'm able to uh I will be getting that book for my shelf I have I have about 8 books from that trip to the library that I now need my own copies but this is worth I think it's worth repeating um uh huh right brain is creative that's actually total bullshit um it's they they converge in a way that you know sciences really I don't know if we'll ever understand it but they're starting to really look at how how that how they intertwine one thing that stood out to me from this book specifically was okay so I was thought left brain logical right we get told that too I think I was told that in school I've got I mean yeah so I and and and again that made me think oh well I'm a right brain I'm a creative hmm hmm if you have to put it into a half I'm half creative half logical we're actually all that way it's just a matter how it shows up babe you so anyways okay so the study that they did that I thought was fascinating they studied patients and I and I can't remember who they was but it was you know as a research team they studied patients that had basically lost function of their right brain oh yeah so maybe a stroke somebody who had a stroke or something yeah some something caused it uh huh in in most of that they were still functional but they but something had happened to basically cause them to kind of or a concussion or something uh huh so they study patients that had only function of either their right brain or only function of their left brain in essence the interesting thing was you would think okay those that lost the left brain part but still had the right brain were probably incredibly creative painting drawing you know maybe they developed a new skill that they didn't because their left brain was quote unquote hmm kind of use of their right brain became much more logical okay uh not even close so the study that one of the the one study that really stuck out to me was um so they so they looked at the left brain patients and and I wanna make sure I'm getting these right so the left brain the patients that still had function of their left brain had um and again I'll double check this one side of the brain basically they were told okay go ahead and you know draw a house hmm and whether it was a left or the right I can't remember now they had function of one side they drew um hmm but didn't yeah didn't the windows off or something or yeah they drew the outline but they didn't really actually have any other detail hmm you know the other side drew all of the the things that would be with a house but the windows were like you know maybe up on the top of the page the actual outline for the house was down at the bottom hmm you know it none of it made sense and they were so so neither neither drawing of the houses whether left brain or right brain made sense yeah yeah yeah I think they did talk about how you can then start to kind of retrain well yeah now we know you can regrove the bent brain a lot yeah yeah we're not left brained or right brained we are both we need both so it's okay to have cause I struggled with that too going back to what uh getting more into the logical huh cause I was like I just wanna be a creative from the heart well yeah I wanna be emotional and artistic yeah and then there's well and combining those so yeah because there are some songwriters who and musicians I see this where they're very good at learning all the you you're learning all the the techniques then you're not having any of the emotion into it right so it's like the combination is is really I think what we talked when I was saying earlier about emotional intelligence so you're you don't wanna be completely emotional exactly yep yeah which can show up as physical resistance shows up as emotions of sadness uh huh oh um yeah so yes so okay and I may have quoted this last week cause we talked about but again it's worth redoing so he basically starts off the book here let's see there's a secret that real writers and will put in their artists there's a there's a but but he you know he's a writer so he puts it towards writers there's a secret that real writers know that wanna be writers don't and the secret is this it's not the writing part that's hard what's hard is sitting down to write what keeps us from sitting down is resistance yeah hey everyone thanks so much for listening we got rocking and rolling so much that we ended up with about an hour and a half recording so we decided to split it into two parts so you just finished listening to Episode 4 on resistance make sure to check out Episode 5 where we pick up the conversation and keep on going